Shawn Wells - How to harness the power of stress to become harder to kill!

In episode 21 discover how to become harder to kill  with world leading nutritional biochemist and health optimisation expert Shawn Wells. 

The discussion covers many interesting themes from Shawns book the Energy Formula such as boosting resilience, optimising energy and strategies to live a long healthy energised life.

There are so many gems of wisdom shared during this show which can support you in reframing how you feel about stress and adversity so that you can use it to your power.

We explore the world of plant medicine and how it offers immense benefits for personal expansion and growth.

This was a really fun discussion and i am so sure you are going to find lots of value from Shawns incredible knowledge and experience in this field.

Stay Amplified

Transcript

Chris Barnes: 0:03

Hey, this is Chris and you're listening to Amplified wellness podcast. More people than ever are realising that they possess the potential for far greater states of health and human flourishing. On this show, I sit down with the best biohackers health optimization experts, integrative doctors and healers. We discuss and tackle real life health challenges, offering listeners powerful solutions and strategies to support in becoming your very best version. Hey guys, and welcome to Amplified wellness podcast. I'm your host Chris Barnes. Today I'm absolutely thrilled with my guest. He is a nutritional biochemist, one of the world's leading experts in this field is a health optimization expert as well. He has formulated over 500 supplements and cosmeceuticals and has over 10 novel ingredients patented has been referred to as the ingredient ologists. I'd like to welcome Mr. Shawn wells. How are you doing Shawn?

Shawn Wells: 1:06

I'm great. Thanks for having me on.

Chris Barnes: 1:08

absolutely a pleasure, mate. I have recently read your book, the energy formula. And I must say it's an absolutely Comprehensive Resource mate like there is so much in there for anyone whether you're a seasoned bio hacker or somebody completely new to the world of health optimization, you pretty much left no stone unturned in that book mate. For anyone looking to live a long healthy, energised life this books amazing. Well done with that.

Shawn Wells: 1:36

Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. Chris, let me flip this a little bit and ask you what about the book like really connected with you or resonated with you?

Chris Barnes: 1:49

Good question. , I've actually recently had one of your colleagues, one of your friends, Melissa grill Peterson on the episode. Yeah, awesome, awesome lady, and awesome guests. And we went into healthspan, and lifespan and longevity and all the goodies involved in that area. And in particular, we touched on stress, and eustress the good type of stress. But one thing that I guess it's been pressing in my life, and in my network of friends is what you reference in the book, the allostatic load the stress bucket, which I want to dive into in a little bit. just understanding our stress bucket and how that kind of overflows into other physiological aspects of our life. I'm a bit of a biohacker. Myself, I love ice bathes and sauna and all these things. But I have found that over the years, when I've probably not managed my stress as well, I've been hammered a little bit by experimenting on my body in negative aspects, which I'd like to get you advice on as we go along. So probably one of the biggest things that stood out to me just a better understanding of our stress load and how that can impact and, and I guess to be more aware of that status, before we go on, just experiment on yourself.

Shawn Wells: 3:04

. Yeah, for sure. And that's called Yeah, allostatic load, like you said, and that's our stress bucket. And that's the technical term for it. And if you can imagine in the book, I have a diagram with this bell curve. And on one side, there's like hormetic stress, right? Like, there's the eustress that you're talking about the good stress that's going up the left side of that curve, where the more stress that you add, the more adaptation you get, right, and the healthier it is. And like in the middle down, the meat of that bell curve is the Goldilocks zone. But then as you start heading down the other side of the curve, on the right hand side, it's distress. So this is to your point that you're talking about before that at some point, even things that are normally we think of as healthy stress is as hormetic stress is as you stress is end up becoming distresses. Why because our buckets overflowing right, we only have so much room in the stress bucket, the allostatic load. So when that bucket is overflowing, any stress becomes bad stress. So this is like the situation where to your point where you know, it could be cold plunges or red light or saunas or ketogenic diet or extended fasting or you know, working out at the gym and high intensity interval training. These can all be too much if you just lost your job if you know your grandmother just died, your dog is you know, sick or you've got stuff going on at work or you just got divorced or you know, like these things like normally can be okay. But in these cases, it can end up being distressed is especially when you start stacking, and a great way to look at this and metric that we have available to us is HRV heart rate variability. So if you have a one terrible. Now even like, I believe the Apple iWatch, and the Samsung Gear watch or whatever, I think they even track them now too. But yeah, Garmin, exactly, oura ring, Garmin Phoenix bio strap, you know, these devices have been well known for heart rate variability and tracking all that. And that tells you, essentially your readiness, like when the heart rate variability is wider, we're more resilient, we have more room, we have more ability to bounce back, when that heart rate is tighter in response, then we're less resilient. And so that's what this is, is essentially tracking. And that's what all this is, we're talking about resilience and resilience is the idea of being harder to kill. Now we're more easy to kill our stress buckets are very small. And whereas hundreds of years ago, maybe even 20 years ago, our stress buckets were a lot bigger. Why? Because we're in artificial light with in our artificial boxes with artificial air, eating artificial food, watching an artificial life on an artificial floor, like you know, it's just the whole thing is not reality. And we're not getting exposed to the things we should be getting exposed to, you know, both positive and somewhat negative. Like I don't even think of viruses or bacteria as bad like or even that there's good or bad bacteria, like the quote unquote good bacteria Foster's your immune system and neurotransmitters and all these things in the gut, the gut brain axis, and that's awesome. But the quote unquote bad bacteria is a stress right of hormetic stress that keeps us strong. So they're serving us. We need these viral and bacterial challenges we need to be out and about otherwise we become weak. We have low allostatic load, we have a small stress bucket when we're in isolation, when we're not hugging people when we're not putting our feet and hands in the dirt when we're not touching doorknobs of bathroom stalls and you know, whatever. Like all these things that normally when food falls on the floor, we don't need it anymore. Everything needs to be sanitised. And yeah, this sanitised world is making us weak, we are not able to like my dog can drink out of the lake and eat her own poop. You know, it's like, don't get COVID do that. It's like we're wondering why that when we're so isolated when we're under like fluorescent light, and we're eating junk food. And all of this is happening, why we're, you know why we're so prone to all these things. And it's because you might have the allostatic load that we used to

Chris Barnes: 7:48

really, really good points there. I've got a friend that gets hammered. Just going out in the sun here on the Gold Coast. We'll go to the beach for a few hours and then go home and absolutely crushed from that. Probably a good good indication of a small stress pocket.

Shawn Wells: 8:05

Yeah, exactly. I mean, it is a stress. And so like, especially depending on like how fair your skin is, when you're literally burning the skin. And you're causing, like photo oxidation. I do think sunlight is good, but it depends when and how much and how intensely and you know, all of that, like you have to factor that in. And it's just like working out where it's like you don't like go in there and pick up like the heaviest barbell in the place and do a squat like, like you work your way up to it. It's the same with cold plunges. It's the same with exposure to light. It's the same with all of these things with extended fasting, you don't do like a 72 hour fast like your first time out. Right? Like it's like otherwise, it can be too much stress for the body. Like you have to adapt to this stuff. So yeah, absolutely.

Chris Barnes: 9:00

So for somebody in a situation where their buckets overflowing with stress, they want to start to introduce some hormetic activities like cold plunges sauna, should they just do really, really short intervals of that? Or should they just wait and try and get that stress level down a little bit more before they introduce hormetic stresses?

Shawn Wells: 9:22

It's a good question. And it's one of those things where I would again, look at the HRV. And like, see how you feel, I mean, you don't always want to just go by metric. Like you also want to just check in with yourself and have self awareness. You start aligning that potentially with a metric, but it's not just metric based, like, you know, some people like wake up refreshed, but their aura ring says they have a crap sleep score. So they're like, Ah, God, I feel terrible, that you were like, you know, it's like, don't let the metric override how you actually feel. It's just data points, you know, so it's just an insight but I I think it's a it's a worthwhile question like, you know, it's titration, if you will, of like, your readiness, your recovery, and how much of a hormetic stress you want to do, like, you don't want to necessarily stack a bunch of them, or you don't want to, like, do too much of one. So it's, if you're feeling ready, and you're feeling good, yeah, you can stack a bunch, you know, or you could do one for a very long time. But, and maybe if you're not feeling that great, maybe just limit it to like one thing. And you could pick the one thing that you've kind of adapted to that actually, is a hormetic stress, but it's like a mental de stress. Like for me, like for example, fasting, like, there's points when it can feel like it's too much. And it's stressful, like, and I'm like fighting it, you know what I mean? It's still like amazing, like, what it does mean, I still do it, but like when I do a cold plunge, actually, like there's there's the initial shock, but like, I feel amazing the rest of the day, you know what I mean? And I get that too, like when I work out kind of in that right? Goldilocks zone, I feel that way too, like where I just have a glow for like three hours. And it's like that's worth it. You know what I mean? So it's like, it's also kind of understanding you and how this affects you. There's bio individuality, which I cover in the book, like that experiment chapter is a lot on that biodiversity bio individuality.

Chris Barnes: 11:27

Yeah, it's a really good point, actually, because you do stress the importance of experimentation in your book. So people should really just kind of become more aware of their own bodies and just experiment a bit. And if it's tipping them over the edge just regress a little bit more, if they're feeling good, push it a bit more. Be like, yeah, that's it.

Shawn Wells: 11:46

That's really, essentially. And that's where you're really growing your bucket. Yeah.

Chris Barnes: 11:52

For people struggling with resilience. Is there any particular hormetic stressor that you feel is better than the other? Or are they all equally yes and beneficial.

Shawn Wells: 12:02

The number one is covered in my growth chapter, the g of energy. And that's the mindset of resilience. That's the stoic mindset, the obstacle is the way when you have a resilient mind, and you believe that adversity makes you stronger, that adversity is something that is great in your life, not a struggle, not an overwhelm, not something that you should avoid, or shortcut, but it's what literally makes not only you stronger, but is what makes life worth living is that stress, and you turn it into a positive stress, you feel like the universe is always working for you that you either win, or you learn, which means you win or you win. There is no losing, there is no, that it's a loss, and I feel terrible, and, and that this was all for nothing. That's never the case. It's never the case, you win or you learn something important

Chris Barnes: 13:03

. How would you ingrain that mindset into people that have traditionally just viewed stress as a really negative outcome? They're always losing, do they need to start to journal recite little mantras every day to try and shift that, or is there a strategy you can recommend?

Shawn Wells: 13:22

That's a great point. And I believe that inner work is going to be so essential, because at the core is your truth. And when I've done a lot of plant medicine work in that's what it's about is like dissolving the ego turning off the default mode network, so that you can get into your truth and understand who you really are. Because a lot of times the ego Yes, it's protecting, but it's also preventing the ego is the great storyteller. It's the great reframe. And sometimes reframing is a powerful tool. It's the most powerful tool for really success. I mean, that's mental resilience. But reframing can sometimes be done negatively. And reframing can work against you. Sometimes these constructs that build up by the ego is telling stories that aren't necessarily true, and that you're starting to believe and project out on others. And we spend time distracted so we can avoid the truth. Because sometimes there's work to be done. But there's a lot less work on the other side of it if you do it. It is important to understand that stress is important acutely, but it's not healthy chronically that we should seek states of ease, by and large, with periods of stress. And when you're not in states of ease by and large, you're in states of disease, and you don't want to be there and that's where disease happens. So to me doing that inner work being self aware They're kind of like I was just talking about with the metric of HRV. That's like a lack of self awareness. If you just say, Oh, my sleep score is this from HRV is this. And that's the truth. The truth is, when you are feeling, that's the truth, these numbers can be a guide, they can be helpful. But the truth is, like what you're feeling, and if you're not in tune with yourself, you're not in a healthy state, mentally or physically. So that's what happens when you do you know, meditation, when you do therapy, or plant medicine work or journaling, like you're talking about, there's a lot of like, it's quiet time where you're connecting with self, and you're getting to your truth. And a lot of times, we're doing the, you know, distracted behaviours of like watching TV, YouTube, Tiktok. And like, you know, whatever, we're avoiding that dialogue with self, because if anyone talked to you, like you talk to you, you wouldn't be their friend. You need to change that inner dialogue. And instead of having it be the harshest critic, or ignoring yourself, to someone that's their own best advocate. And there's a friendly dialogue often

Chris Barnes: 16:14

so valuable. You mentioned in your book, and just a minute ago about your experience with plant medicine. How was that experience because it's something that I personally haven't experienced, but I know a lot of people swear by it, how did that change you and your awareness ?

Shawn Wells: 16:33

I've been through probably 30 different journeys, like it's something I've I've really gone down the rabbit hole of, I've used a lot of different plant medicines. I mean, I'm a biochemist, I'm a scientist. And I've also have a history of of trauma and suicidal thoughts and anxiety and depression and autoimmune issues, brain tumours, you know, like, there's a lot that's been going on with me in my life, you know, searching for transformation, searching for answers. And this gave me a lot of them, I spent a lot of my life with insecurity with impostor syndrome, with being like this wounded driven entrepreneur, that was seeking external validation for love, instead of giving it to myself. Like being in this space, again, turning off that default mode network, that ego, that's literally preventing, like I'm saying, that's it has all these constructs, like, if you're just in therapy, or just on like an SSRI, your body's like the ultimate ninja, like avoiding, dealing with conflict, avoiding dealing with the truth. But when you're in this day, you just you face it head on, and you see it, you feel it, you deal with it, you move through it. And it's such a release, it's such a renewal of self and soul to like to go through that process. And your physiology changes as a result. I mean, like, the body knows the score holds the score. I mean, that's literally like, traumas held in your body, like held in your muscles held in your musculoskeletal frame. Like there's just, it's held there. So like, I mean, think about what do we do when we're unsure? When we're trying to make ourselves small, like we, you know, we protect ourselves, we, like, you know, shrink down, like, you know, and cover our stomach and cross our arms, and we're rejecting anything from the outside and we're protecting our core from being penetrated or, you know, whatever. And that's like, the way that we hold ourselves. But what do we do when we're, when we're loving when we're open? Like, we literally like the whole frame opens up, right? Like, your whole, like, thoracic area, like opens up and when people when like, even blind people like their arms are raised, and you're completely open. So it's just totally different physiologically. You know, those are things that I experienced that like my physiology changed, my relationships changed and most importantly, my relationship with self changed that I learned to love myself. And the other thing that happens in plant medicine is not only turning off the default mode network, but like you enhance neuroplasticity, it's like greatly increase so BDNF brain derived neurotrophic factor is increased, so that you can rewire you know neurons that fire together, wire together. So like, over time, that's why conditioning creates your realities. But this is kind of undoing that conditioning. So that you can like Michael Pollan talks about like throwing fresh snow over like the ski tracks, so that you can go down a new path instead of the same path. And so it allows you to rewire and create new behaviours as a result.

Chris Barnes: 19:56

super fascinating. Is there anything that listeners if they were wanting to go down that rabbit hole, as you mentioned, should be aware of with plant medicine. Is there some really core cirterias?

Shawn Wells: 20:05

Oh, absolutely. criterias Yeah, they're not without risks, like, it's a very important one to get the proper plant medicine. So working with the proper facilitator, you know, ideally, it's in a legal situation, but if not, and you're pursuing it, at least have like a very trained facilitator that has a lot of experience that, you know, people that have experience with them. And then too, they've sat down with you for hours, and talk through your mental history, your physical history, and can provide you safety, if you're not feeling safe, you will not be able to lean into these experiences, it's so critical. And part of that is what they call set and setting your mindset going in. And then the setting around you, the environment has to like facilitate safety. All of this has to feel safe, the facilitators, the environment, like how you feel going into this, like, if you feel like something's way off, you don't go into it. Like, it's just the wrong thing at the wrong time doesn't mean it's always wrong. It just means right now, it's wrong for you and your body, this into your body. That's self awareness. So it's like with the people I've worked with, we did we talk for hours, I filled out hours and hours with the forms, before we even went into it. And then we did intention setting for hours we did, you know, yoga and breath work for hours. And then we took the plant medicine. And then they facilitated the journey with one guy who's an emergency room, nurse, and then another lady that's a trained facilitator and therapist. And then on the other side of that we do facilitation work, it's important that it's not just integration work, it's important that you don't just leave it there with just the journey. It's like now what do you do with it? How do you process it? Like, where's the follow up the accountability. So that's really important that all those pieces are there. And then the people even that are in the room, if you're doing it with multiple people like that sets the energy in tone, like so, if there's people that feel off to you or trigger you, you know, that can be wrong. So all of this is really important. And you know, the right dose for you is important. It's not just like, Oh, I'm a bigger guy. So I take more, it's not actually like that like, and again, like if you feel safe, and you have some experience, like in time your dose is actually go down, because you're safer. And because you can lean in more and they don't need to overpower you. I've been able to lower my doses lower and lower and lower over time. So yeah, it's something to definitely work with the right people on if someone needs help on this, you know, DM me, I do a clubhouse every week to like where we talk through a lot of this stuff that I enjoy as well that I mentioned on my social media on Instagram.

Chris Barnes: 23:05

Awesome, we will definitely share all those handles before we finish up as well so people can reach out and connect with you. Because that's super, super valuable advice there. Awesome, Shawn. So one of the big key principles in your book, enhancing energy, that's definitely an area that pre pre pandemic. Everyone was so exhausted low on energy, I think, post pandemic we're still coming out the other end, but I think it's just been amplified. What are some of the biggest areas or from your experience? What are the biggest mistakes people are making? That are just depleting their energy? Wow, big question.

Shawn Wells: 23:42

yeah, I mean, it's so many things. Wow. It's just it's literally so many things that I can think of sleep is one of the biggest, you know, we don't have proper sleep hygiene, where we're going to bed at the same time every night. For good circadian rhythm. We don't set up what's called a sleep fortress, your bedroom should revolve around sleep. Secondarily sex, you know, that's like relationship, but like, it's not about conversations and especially arguments. It's not about having your office computer in there, whatever and work. It's not about having a TV in their cell phone in their tablets in their that bedroom needs to be about sleep when it's conditioning that I was just talking about before. And you need to condition yourself that that room is a place of true relaxation, and nothing else. And so that's critical. All this blue light exposure that we're getting as junk light is massive and the impact it's having on us like blocking melatonin is released and not allowing us to feel sleepy. So we're getting, you know, blue light from the TVs from the laptops from the tablets, the cell phones and all these devices that are in our faces with super bright light, and it's blocking the release of melatonin them metabolic health 87% of Americans at least are metabolically unhealthy. And you know, there's one high glycemic carbohydrate throughout the diet, there's too many calories being consumed. There's terrible fats, these vegetable oils that are highly highly inflammatory that are being consumed things like canola oil, cottonseed, sunflower, safflower, vegetable oil, which would include some corn and soybean, you know, all of these things are pro inflammatory. And then you add to it like the maltodextrin, sugar, high fructose corn syrup, the multiple calories, the lack of exercise, and sedentary nature, it's been shown that doing these exercises Max, just moving for like five minutes every hour is more potent than going to the gym for an hour every day. Meaning your body every hour for a little bit is more potent, because being sedentary is the worst thing for your body. You don't get the blood flow, you don't get the lymph moving, you actually get your musculoskeletal system including the fascia, adapting to that seated position wants to make you as low energy as possible to be efficient. So literally changing your body shape by tightening up muscles and changing the bone structure and changing the fascia to keep you in the seated position. That's completely unnatural in evolutionary history. So finding ways to just move around like crawl, you know up your stairs or crawl around on the carpet or roll around if you have a kid or a dog or you know, out in the yard, doing planks, doing push ups, doing sit ups, doing air squats, you know, whatever it is like move your body throughout the day, of course, it would help to do resistance exercise that's been shown, you know, to have great benefit, but moving your body is even more critical. Another big one, when it comes to metabolic health is just moving after a meal. Because blood sugar tends to spike obviously after your meal, especially if it contains carbohydrate. And if you're metabolically dysfunctional, meaning your insulin resistance, you're overweight etc. And you're not moving after a meal, then that glucose is going to sit around your blood and insulin is going to stay elevated, which leads to all kinds of dysfunction. So just moving for 15 minutes up regulate something called glute for translocation to put glucose into the cell so it can be used for energy. So your insulin isn't elevated and you feel more energised, and everything is better inflammations down, glucose is down, insulin is down, etc, just by taking a simple walk with your spouse or your dog or whatever, for a couple of minutes. You know, those are just like some big simple ones that like people aren't doing like, basically, it's like, living life with intention. It's that simple, that like, life doesn't happen to you, life happens for you and you are sovereign, you can control your destiny. And once you believe you're no longer a victim, and that you are in fact sovereign and control your path, that's when everything can change. And that's when you see like, you know, a good morning routine take place, that's when you see like the sleep hygiene take place, that's when you see the moving the body or going to the gym take place, healthier habits and not getting wasted all the time. And, you know, all of these kinds of things, that's when you see that take place. And by the way, with psychedelics, you see, even just one use of psychedelics, when you compare those that haven't done them, there was a 1/3 decrease in diabetes and heart attacks, there's a 50% decrease in depression. And one of the biggest reasons is because stress is so high, like going back to our our stress bucket. And people might think we're not as stressed as we used to be, but our stress bucket so much smaller. So in a way we are, we're all maxed out. And it's because we're also distracted with our cell phones. And there's something called task switching. Because we're not multitaskers we're task switchers. And when you're distracted and burning through a lot of brain ATP, you're in a state of sympathetic nervous system, and in a state of kind of like chaotic panic if you will, when you're in this, like non focused, non productive state, and you're switching back and forth and you feel overwhelmed despite you not accomplishing anything and this is a problem with like the level of distraction that we have in our lives with the with the emails and the you know, messaging and and Tik Tok and all this stuff, is that we're stuck in this mode where we feel overwhelmed, and were using up a lot of brain energy. So it's important to do like a detox as well, a digital detox.

Chris Barnes: 30:08

100% really, really useful point, say, Shawn, your a master formulator, what would be your number one energy supplement that you'd recommend clean energy that's not going to create crushes, like caffeine and all these energy drinks to help people feel a little bit more kind of sparked during the day.

Shawn Wells: 30:28

Yeah, a few answers there. So people that know me know I patented teacrine and Dynamine, learn, literally, I think 500 700 products, something like that. But those are two methyl Xanthine 's that are in that kind of caffeine family that don't have the habituation adaptation. Issues that caffeine has caffeine kind of has diminishing effects over time, you have to take more and more to get the same effects. Plus caffeine has other issues where some people are fast metabolizers and slow metabolizers, the fast metabolizers can have the caffeine and go straight to that kind of thing. A slow metabolizers like me have all the side effects where it just hangs around. And you don't really get the benefit. You know, you get the anxiety and the brain fog and the irritation and sleep disruption but you don't get much of the benefit. My newest ingredient is a downstream metabolite of caffeine that solves a lot of this like where you don't have the slow or fast metabolizer issues. And it's highly dopaminergic. So what that means is one is neuro protective to it's like not only protecting the brain, but like making you feel more productive, and focus. And then even cooler, like you get this feeling of confidence and swagger if you will, like where you just feel like feeling good feeling yourself, like feel confident. And it's called para Xanthine is that downstream metabolite. And it really solves a lot of caffines issues and one ups all its benefits. Like we were about to round studies in right now. Yeah, 30 patents in and it's really, really exciting.

Chris Barnes: 32:13

Is it to market yet?

Shawn Wells: 32:16

to a bunch of partners right now. So it'll be in q1 2022 So probably in about three

Chris Barnes: 32:25

Paraxanthine. Awesome.

Shawn Wells: 32:31

the other ingredient I definitely mentioned like probably my number one for health is it's an ingredient that I've worked on to cope dihydroberberine and so people that know anti ageing and and metabolic dysfunction know, and certainly insulin resistance, no Metformin, the drug is so popular for anti ageing and type two diabetes, insulin resistance etc. Berberine has been shown to outperform Metformin head to hit Berberine has bioavailability issues, some GI distress issues, etc. So dihydroberberine is what Berberine converts into in the gut. And what's really cool is like it's about five times more bioavailable and hangs around twice as long, so you only need to take 100 mgs about twice a day versus Berberine, where you have to take 500 mgs three times a day, and you get GI distress and sometimes some issues. So, there's dihydroberberine really, like out does Berberine and metformin pretty dramatically. And to me, like, yes, if you're metabolically dysfunctional, this can be a massive answer for you. But even for people that are metabolically functional and lean and in great shape and have low insulin levels and high insulin sensitivity, they still see benefit the further you drive down insulin, the higher like GH and growth factors and and basically anti ageing in general is telomere length and DNA methylation and all that kind of stuff is related to insulin levels. So dihydrate Berberine, I think is the most important ingredient that anyone can take when it comes to disease states, biological ageing, over chronological ageing, etc.

Chris Barnes: 34:24

It's amazing. So it's really effective at mopping up high blood sugar. So anyone that's kind of been levelling pretty high and blood sugar should be on dihydroberberine daily

Shawn Wells: 34:35

100% Just

Chris Barnes: 34:36

or titrating ?

Shawn Wells: 34:37

Yeah, yep. 100%

Chris Barnes: 34:39

Awesome. Awesome. That's amazing. I haven't seen dihydroberberine right. I guess readily available in Australia. We can definitely get Berberine Is it becoming more available?

Shawn Wells: 34:50

Yeah, it's new. It's under the brand name gluco Vantage. It's in probably 15 products right now but it's not like you know as widely available as As Berberine is an I don't know and Australia might might take a little while. Yeah.

Chris Barnes: 35:04

Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. Sean, absolute pleasure, mate connecting with you and sharing those valuable gems for any of our listeners that want to find out more about who you are plant medicine, anything in your book, where are the best places they can reach you? Yeah, so

Shawn Wells: 35:21

energy formula.com Has the book with all the links for the audible, which has my voice, the hardcover, which is about 400 pages, full colour front to back with 60, full colour diagrams, these resource hacks pages with all the devices, that formulator corner which has all the supplements, stacks, and ingredients and doses and brands, has quizzes in there to assess like, where you're at, like, where you started, and how you've improved and has all the citations, the books loaded up and then there is an ebook version. And if you go to the energy formula.com, you get the hidden chapter on natural movement, like I was talking about before. With that ancestral movement movement throughout the day exercise snacks, there's a fasting for energy guide, there's a recipe books, a bunch of free stuff that comes with it. shawnwells.com, shawn has all my newsletters and just all free information, I have all kinds of guides on there that are anywhere from 15 to 30 pages fully cited all of its free, on like, you know, the best keto supplement stacks and how to like fast and you know, what's the best immune health stacks and all this kind of stuff. I'm on Instagram at shawn wells, . And you know, I have tonnes of amazing info. They're like great infographics practically every day, I answer all my DMs. So if anyone has any questions here, I will answer them there. You know, you can look me up on clubhouse and YouTube and other things. But yeah, I would love to see, see people get the book and follow me on Instagram. And that would be wonderful. And I'm here to answer any questions that they have.

Chris Barnes: 37:05

It really is a thorough book with so many gems in there. I'm somebody that loves to kind of take a lot of different vitamins and experiment on my body. And there's some really great advice in there. So anyone listening, I definitely encourage you to go and get the energy formula by Shawn wells, you will not be sorry with that mate absolute pleasure having you on amplified wellness. Thank you so much for taking time out of your busy day to jump on and share those gems. Yeah, I love

Shawn Wells: 37:30

Yeah, I love that. Thank you, Chris. You know, maybe I can come back on another time. We can talk more. Yeah, this was a fun conversation. I really appreciate it.

Chris Barnes: 37:38

Yeah, absolutely. I would love to have you back on the show. And I'm sure listeners would love to learn more about your experience as well, mate. So thanks again. Have an amazing day, and we'll connect down the line.

Shawn Wells: 37:48

All right. Thanks, brother.

Chris Barnes: 37:51

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